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From the end of 19th. century for Paris Department Store " Grand Magasins Du Louvre " comes this rare all original antique six-piece Bebe costume by Jumeau which fit perfect for on size 9 Bebe. All original in Presentation ......
Sold...thank you very much C. !!
Beautiful rare model Figure " C " Jules Steiner Bebe size 22" ( 56 cm ) with superb quality of bisque and painting , rare original signed Steiner eyes with wire - lever sleep mechanism , original Steiner body and superb antique clothing !!
Beautiful pale pressed bisque socket head with very sweet and childlike expression of best quality of bisque and painting ,has rounded facial shape and wonderful large gray - blue original Steiner glass eyes ( mark 4 Steiner ) with rare le...
Sold...thank you very much C. !!
Very beautiful one of a kind French cream silk three piece costume for French or German doll about around 20" ( 50 cm ) .....would fit perfect for an size 10 Jumeau , Steiner , Bru , FG , Eden Bebe or other pretty French or German Doll ......
Most hand sewn and one of a kind ensemble for one of your favorite doll in your collection...
Sold....thank you very much M. !!
A special and charming friend for your French or German Doll an are to find antique English pull-toy bulldog from the 19th...
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An outstanding and rare to find beauty in large size 8 / 26" ( 67 cm ) by Pierre-Francois Jumeau around 1870/75 , from the golden years of Jumeau poupee production comes this gorgeous portrait fashion doll !
She is in rare large size and all original included her afternoon gown , body and rest of wig , has wonderful face expression with best quality of bisque and painting !!
Pale pressed bisque swivel head on kid-edged bisque shoulder plate , wonderful almond - shaped ...
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One of a kind first elegant winter outfit for your French or German doll about around 17" / 18" ( 44 - 46 cm ) of cream silk satin and light blue striped cashmere wool , ornate with hand made lace and pretty silk trim !
It would fit perfect for Jumeau , Gaultier , Edene Bebe , Bru or other pretty doll in your collection , is most hand sewn and you will never found such the same costume again.
Has fine pleated front part , 3/4 long wool sleeves with lace ruffled w...
On layaway for M. !! Thank you so much ...
Very beautiful all original French bisque Bebe by Jumeau factory .... France circa 1885 , generally excellent with original body , wig and superb silk clothing !!
19" ( 47 cm ) doll with socket head of best quality of bisque and painting , has beautiful large blue glass paperweight inset eyes with long lushly painted lashed and dark eyeliner ...
Sold...thank you so much !!
Most beautiful one of a kind French silk and Muslin dress with matching wire bonnet would fit perfect for French or German doll about around....... 19" ( 48 cm ) .... one of a kind and never to find such the same pretty outfit again !!
Most hand sewn of light cream muslin fully ornate with tiny hand made pleats and French lace . Has beautiful large lace collar around upper part and long sleeves with ruffled lace at wrist...
SOLD...thank you very much M. !!
Beautiful and elegant French gown for French or German doll about circa 18" / 19" ( 46 - 48 cm ) , most hand sewn one of a kind .... you will never find such the same again !
Single piece costume from pretty sky blue silk satin and printed muslin , has round neck and long small sleeves with ruffled lace and muslin wrist. Pretty style of long satin jacket and ruffled front upper part ornate with French lace and cream silk trim...
SOLD....thank you so much !!
Most beautiful all original doll by Jumeau Size 12 ( 25" / 64 cm ) with very fine creamy bisque and wonderful painting , original body and clothing !
Best quality of bisque socket head with deep blue glass paperweight inset eyes , has thick dark eyeliner and lushly painted lashes . Brush-stroked and multi-feathered brows and closed mouth with defined space between her shaded and outlined lips...
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Very beautiful Bisque Doll from one of the best doll factory´s at the 19th. century .......
Sold...thank you so much !!
Rare very cute little Steiner Bebe size 2 / 12" ( 31 cm ) in all perfect and factory original condition , very gentle features with dramatic painting at her lever eyes , has exemplary sculpting and very beautiful bisque and painting . All original Steiner body and gorgeous factory original clothing !!
Special rare to find such a small all perfect and in all original condition little Bebe by Steiner from series C ......
Sold....thank you so much !!
Lovely all perfect French bisque doll by Jumeau ... France circa 1890 .... with very sweet childlike expression and nice antique clothing with parasol.
Size 9 / 22" ( 56 cm ) all perfect doll with good quality of bisque and painting of pale bisque socket head with very full cheeks . She has pretty large amber brown glass paperweight inset eyes with long painted lashes and dark eyeliner...
SOLD...thank you so much U. !!
Very beautiful all original antique wooden hat shop , has original painted finish in lovely colors und some open display cabinets full filled with lovely things. Three rows of hand carved gilt painted ornament decoration at upper part and two other below at both sides.
Lovely light blue color painting inside the cabinets and cardboard tablets with gild paper edged which hold little hat stands , silk and velvet flowers , silk ribbons and many other things ...
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Wonderful early French bisque poupee in all original condition and rare large size about 25" ( 64 cm ) , fantastic antique cream silk costume and high brim bonnet .
Pale bisque swivel head on original bisque shoulder plate , very plump face , wonderful cobalt blue glass inset glass eyes with thick dark eyeliner and fine painted lashes. Rare modeled upper eye lid and lightly feathered brows and closed mouth with fine accented pale lips...
SOLD...thank you so much !!
Very beautiful and rare to find 5,5" ( 14 cm ) all original French all bisque Mignonette .......
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Rare to find " Psyche " paper doll with original wood stand and 11 extra clothes , all painted by hand in wonderful colors and together in generally excellent condition to age ..... France circa 1840 / 50
Psyche was given to each new subscriber of the " Journal Demodes " around 1840 , a popular women magazine at this time...
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Very beautiful and rare to find early all original pull toy sheep from Germany at 19th. century , a very great piece for your doll decoration..... sure your lovely doll would like this little Lamb !!!
Of hand pressed card board covered with original lamb fur , has fine modeled face expression with inset light green glass eyes and well modeled snout , has little ears and typical lamb tail . You can move the sheep head up and down and has wooden legs with carved hooves witch s...
SOLD....thank you very much L. !!
Very beautiful 20" ( 51 cm ) all original " Paris Bebe " by Emile Jumeau , his trademarked model with distinctive facial modeling from around 1889 / 90 , has excellent modeling and painting , best quality of bisque of the rare to find model . Has original body and wig , wonderful antique clothing !!
Pressed bisque socket head with typical very full and elongated cheeks and has wonderful large blue glass paperweight inset eyes with dark eyeliner . Look´s like gorgeous crysta...
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Very beautiful all original antique special poupee costume for on French fashion doll about around 16" / 17" ( 42 - 43 cm ) !!
Luxury all hand made silk satin bride costume with veil and flowers bouquet preserve in his original store box from France around 1878 /80 and in generally excellent and luxury condition.
The beautiful ornate box included an ivory two piece gown with silk satin jacket with fitted body and back , has box pleated tails and ruffled sides and...
Reserved .... thank you so much M.J. !!
Very beautiful 25" ( 64 cm ) French Bebe with superb quality of pale bisque and painting has delicate complexion , original body and pretty aqua blue silk satin clothing !
This type of French bisque Bebe are not so often to find , it has very gentle face expression of pale bisque socket head with full cheeks and beautiful amber brown glass paperweight inset eyes . Dark eyeliner and painted curly lashes , brush stroked brows and mauve blushed eye shadow .
Closed mout...
SOLD....thank you so much G. !!
Very nice display piece for your larger French Bebe or German doll ..... an all original antique French " Courrier " from France at the 19th. century.
A lovely light brown leather harness which is pretty ornate with on real fur covered horse head with glass eyes and fine leather harness . Has two small leather ears and well modeled expression , otherwise pretty decorate with little bells and metal ornaments . Has woven cords at each side for the rider !!
At the 1...
SOLD....thank you very much N. !!
Very beautiful and rare poupee .... circa 1875 ... with very beautiful face has gentle expression of pale bisque and lovely painting , rare body style and gorgeous clothing !!
14" ( 36 cm ) stunning all original rare poupee with pale bisque swivel head on kid-edged bisque shoulder plate , full cheeks and almond shaped blue glass inset eyes , thick dark eyeliner , very fine painted lashes and arched feathered brows . Closed mouth with outlined lips and inside the head pierced...
Reserved.... for C. !!
Very beautiful original condition 24" ( 62 cm ) Eden Bebe , she has very sweet childlike and shy expression , original wig , body and beautiful antique clothing all complete in generally excellent condition .... fee of damage , chip , hairline or repair !
This lovely Eden has pale bisque socket head with best quality of bisque and painting. She has amber brown inset glass eyes with painted lashes and brush - stroked and feathered bows and an open mouth with heart-shaped mode...
SOLd...thank you very much !
Wonderful all perfect fashion doll by Emile Jumeau ....... pale bisque poupee with beautiful rich eyes which are an elegant contrast to her delicate complexion and stunning antique silk evening gown !!
Poupee with bisque swivel head of best quality and best painting on kid-edged bisque shoulder plate . Wonderful pale blue glass enamel inset eyes with dark eyeliner and lightly painted lashes and brows.
Closed mouth with fine outlined and accented lips , blushed cheeks a...
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Very beautiful 17" ( 44 cm ) French Bisque poupee with especially beautiful face with best choise bisque quality , brilliant eyes , original body and wearing all original with lovely winter poupee gown ! She look´s like an Winter-Princess with her beautiful costume !!
Lovely bisque swivel head on kid edged bisque shoulder plate , pretty blue glass enamel inset eyes with fine painted lashes and feathered brows. Dark eyeliner and she has an closed mouth with finest accented l...
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Rare and very cute size 1 Bebe by Emile Jumeau .... France circa 1888 in all perfect condition , has very fine quality of modeling with shy expression , excellent bisque and painting , original body in petite size and pretty antique clothing !
The 9" ( 23 cm ) tiny bisque socket head Bebe has beautiful large blue glass paperweight inset eyes with fine lushly painted lashes , brushstroked and feathered brows and closed mouth with shaded lips . Pierced earrings with Jumeau fac...
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Charming and so beautiful all original 8" ( 21 cm without hat ) little bisque Clown by Steiner .... has beautiful original clothing and face expression , rare to find and all perfect !!!
This pretty bisque socket head doll has untinted white bisque complexion with lovely red painted curving clown decoration , has spiral trading blue glass enamel inset glass eyes with typical clown black painting eyeliner and brows . Closed mouth with red outlined lips and pierced ears , beautif...
SOLD....thank you very much !
Very cute and pretty all original 14" ( 36 cm ) Bebe wears original chemise dress , lovely quality of bisque and painting and all original condition .
Bisque socket head of lovely pale quality , has blue glass paperweight inset eyes with dark eyeliner . Nice lushly painted lashes , brush - stroked and feathered brows and on open mouth with row of pearl white porcelain teeth between her shaded and outlined lips. Pierced ears with original earrings and beautiful blonde mohair wig...
Very beautiful and rare to find 5,5" ( 14 cm ) all original French all bisque Mignonette ..... an little French Mademoiselle which could not be more handsome from France circa 1878 / 80 !!
All perfect and has exquisite quality of very pale bisque highlighted by her rare wonderful original clothing !!
Slender faced doll has swivel head , solid dome with high forehead , pretty cobalt blue glass enamel inset eyes , painted lashes and single stroke brows , closed mouth ...
SOLD for A. Thank you so much !!!
Very beautiful size 10 all original Bisque Bebe by Maison Bru ..... France circa 1890 .... generally excellent presentation in Bru Factory box .
23" ( 59 cm ) beautiful Bebe with best quality of bisque and painting , has perfect swivel head with beautiful amber brown glass paperweight inset eyes , thick dark eyeliner and fine painted lashes , brush-stroked and multi feathered brows. Closed mouth with outlined lips and space between her lips . Pierced ears and very beautiful blo...
RESERVED for D. ...thank you very much !!
Very beautiful and rare to find 5" ( 13 cm ) all bique Mignonette attributed by Schmitt et Fils , has lovely pale bisque , very cute face expression , rare body style with ball jointed elbows and bare feet .
France circa 1880 ..... of very pale bisque and has swivel head with elongated throat an kid edged bisque torso . Beautiful blue glass enamel inset eyes with fine tiny painted lashes and dark eyeliner , one strip brows and closed mouth with dark painted line between her ...
Wonderfully preserved Poupee with very sturdy original body , superb bisque and painting and wonderful two piece costume , under-wearing , booties and lace bonnet .
17" ( 44 cm ) poupee with lovely bisque swivel head on kid-edged bisque shoulder plate of pale quality and little sad face expression . She has almond shaped blue glass enamel eyes like the lovely portrait poupees from Jumeau , dark eyeliner and fine painted long lashes . Feathered brows and closed mouth with fin...
SOLD....thank you very much !!
A very beautiful 31" ( 79 cm ) French bisque Bebe , with so pretty and childlike expression . The doll is in generally perfect condition with good quality of bisque and painting , original wig and french Body ,waering beautiful antique costume.
She has a bisque socket head and beautiful large blue paperweight sleep eyes that would works very well ! Fine painted lashes and mohair lashes , feathered brows and a open mouth with a row of white porcelain teeth between here outlin...
SOLD...thank you very much M. !!
Very beautiful expression 17" ( 43 cm ) French Poupee from around 1865 / 68 with rare body style , bisque under arms and wonderful antique costume .
She has pale bisque rounded swivel head with original bisque shoulder plate , has pretty face expression with blue glass enamel eyes with outer rim , dark painted eyeliner and fine long painted lashes. Feathered brows and inside the head pierced flat ears . Closed mouth with hint of smile at her fine accented lips. Dimpled chin ...
On Layaway for J. ...thank you very much!!
Rare to find automaton bisque Bebe Premier Pas .... trade name given by Jules Nicholas Steiner for on beautiful Bebe with Key wind walking mechanism of on 1890 patent by Steiner....... offered and sold by Luxury Paris Doll - Shop " Au Nain Bleu " .
Wonderful and very rare to find all factory original condition automaton doll with well working mechanism and childlike face expression bisque head by Steiner A with rare wire - lever sleep mechanism eyes ...... like on pretty Ste...
SOLD !!
Full hand stitched antique gray silk dress with beautiful green silk ribbon and silk velvet trim decoration , has wonderful loops and rosette at front and sleeves. The pretty antique gown has rounded neckline with gauze lining inside , short inset sleeves and fitted bodice with centered front of lovely silk velvet rosette decoration included two row of matching trim. The skirt is pleated at both sides and has middle decoration of velvet trim , matching to the neckline and sleeves .
SOLD...thank you very much C. !!
Very beautiful most hand sewn one of a kind outfit has generally excellent fabric and lace condition from 19th. century and you will never find such the same again.
Fit well for French or German Doll about around .... 23" / 24" ( 59 - 61 cm ) .... for Jumeau , Steiner , Bru , Eden Bebe , Gaultier or other ........>b>
From pretty tiny roses print cream muslin and fine French lace , has rounded neckline and ruffled front with large collar which goes over the shoulders...
Reserved for T. ...thank you so much !!
This is one of the most beautiful French Bebe´s by Gaultier which I could offer at the last years ..... she is too cute and special with her gorgeous original Ballerina Costume is this Doll an eye-catcher for everybody !!!
I think you can see on my pictures what I mean...... and it is hard to find the right words to describe how stunning she is !!!! .....is she it ????
On all perfect doll by Gaultier ... France circa 1885 .... in lovely size about 24,5 " ( 62 cm ...
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One of the earliest 5 1/2" ( 14 cm ) French Mignonettes by Fernand Sustrac from Paris circa 1875 / 77 in all perfect condition and wearing all original costume !!!
Very beautiful and rare to find slender featured all bisque mignonette which has the rare ball jointed elbows from the Sustrac patents from around 1877 and typical bare feet legs with silk shoes.
She is a pale slender oval face child with swivel head and lovely cobalt blue glass enamel inset eyes with ...
SOLD.... thank you very much V. !!
Very sweet 23" ( 59 cm ) bisque Bebe by Lanternier & Cie from Limoge ... France ... is all perfect with very sweet and happy face character expression !!
She is in generally perfect condition of bisque , has beautiful rare color original wig and French Body with original body finish ! Has a bisque socket head and large deep blue paperweight sleep eyes that would works very well ! Fine painted lashes and brows ,shaded nostrils and a open mouth with a row of white porcelain teeth be...
Sold !! Thank you so much L. !!
Lovely factory original 14" ( 36 cm ) bisque head Harlequin doll with very nice face expression , good quality of bisque and painting and stunning all original silk costume with bonnet.
Pale bisque socket head with well working pretty blue glass sleep eyes , fine long painted lashes and brush-stroked brows . Open mouth with row of porcelain teeth between her fine outlined lips , dimpled chin .
Un-pierced ears and original brunette human hair wig . Head mark at back ..... ...
Sold to M. ...thank you very much !
Special beautiful one of a kind French Bebe dress with antique straw bonnet , all together most hand sewn and never to find such the same outfit again.
Fit perfect for French or German doll about around 21" ( 54 cm ) for EJ , Bru , Gaultier , Eden Bebe , Jumeau .... and other !!
Princess style of ivory color fine and soft hand woven linen , fine dark green silk trim and hand embroidery cotton lace . Has lovely front part of three row of silk buttons which you can open ...
Rare factory original all bisque bare feet Mignonette with special rare to find body style of twill over wood , made for the French market by Simon and Halbig circa 1880 ..... has exceptional detail of modeling on pale bisque quality , masterpiece of painting and rare bare feet and bisque arms , in factory all original condition included costume !!
Very rare to find 8 , 5 " ( 22 cm ) ..... darling round-faced child has swivel solid dome head on kid - edged bisque shoulder pl...
RESERVED on Layaway .....
Outstanding rare fashionable poupee .... circa 1875 ... with very beautiful face gentle expression , has beaz quality pale bisque and beautiful painting , rare all wood and gorgeous original clothing !!
14" ( 36 cm ) stunning all original rare poupee with pale bisque swivel head on kid-edged bisque shoulder plate , full cheeks and almond shaped blue glass inset eyes , thick dark eyeliner , very fine painted lashes and arched feathered brows .
Closed mouth with outlined...
SOLD...thank you very much M. !!
Very cute face expression 24 " ( 61 cm ) French Bebe with pale bisque and good painting ...... has delicate complexion and rare shy smiling mouth , original body and pretty cream and aqua blue clothing !
Lovely French bisque Bebe with gentle face expression of pale bisque socket head with full cheeks and beautiful blue glass paperweight inset eyes . Has dark eyeliner and painted curly lashes , brush stroked brows and pale mauve blushed eye shadow .
She has an closed...
SOLD !!
Most beautiful all original antique French character girl by SFBJ .... has outstanding sculpting with very well defined characterization , best quality of creamy bisque and painting , original body , stunning antique clothing and original shoes by SFBJ !
17 " ( 44 cm ) beautiful girl with bisque socket head with typical tiny blue enamel glass inset crystal eyes , finest painted lashes over modeled eye-lid .
Fine feathered brows , very slightly parted lips with row of s...
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Very beautiful most hand sewn one of a kind French silk costume with matching bonnet , would fit well for French or German doll about around 13 " ( 33 cm )
Of burgundy and cream silk and fully with elegant details , has square neckline and fine hand ruffled silk front part and fine French lace decoration at each front side. Similar style of back with red silk velvet middle part and both sides are fine hand embroidered like the long sleeves in pagoda style with cream silk pleats...
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Very cute and all perfect condition 14" ( 36 cm ) Bebe Jumeau , wears very beautiful and childlike , has lovely quality of bisque and painting and original body with Jumeau mark !
Bisque socket head of lovely pale quality , has very beautiful blue glass paperweight inset eyes with dark eyeliner and fine lushly painted lashes , brush - stroked and feathered brows . The little darling has on open mouth with row of pearl white porcelain teeth between her shaded and outlined lip...
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Outstanding 17" ( 44 cm ) all original poupee with best quality of bisque and painting , wonderful eyes and pale expression , original sturdy kid poupee body and beautiful wearing all complete antique pique costume with delicate soutache trim decoration with matching beautiful jacket and muslin blouse . Beautiful set of undergarments , stocking and flat shoes , lovely pink silk bonnet .
Here pale bisque swivel head on kid edged bisque shoulder plate is in generally excellent...
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Very beautiful and sweet all perfect 18" ( 46 cm ) bisque Gaultier girl with pressed bisque and cute face expression, original body and wig and beautiful wearing antique costume !!
The girl has pale pressed bisque socket head with light rose cheeks and fine painting of lashes and feathered and brush-stroked brows. She has pale blue glass paperweight inset eyes with dark eyeliner and on closed mouth with fine outlined lips and hint of smile on her lips . Little dimpl...
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Marvelous French one of a kind silk satin Bebe dress with stunning antique straw hat matching ornate to the dress , you will never find such the same outfit again ! Would fit well for your around size 11 Jumeau or other pretty doll about circa 24" ( 60 cm )
Most hand sewn of silk satin with small hand pleated half at front , has wonderful hand embroidery lace ruffled collar and front decoration , 3/4 long small inset sleeves with lace ruffled wrist. Wonderful full skirt with...
SOLD ...thank you P. !!
Especially beautiful 26" ( 66 cm ) French Bebe by Etienne Denamur from first period ....... with beautiful pale and fine creamy bisque socket head , has full cheeks , wonderful bisque quality and stunning large blue glass enamel inset eyes with rich threading .
Rose blushed eye shadow and fine painted thick dark eyeliner and lushly painted lashes and feathered brows. Closed mouth with beautifully fine shaded and outlined full lips with and defined space . Pierced ears and wo...
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Charming and very beautiful all original 14" ( 36 cm ) German oriental Baby doll by Kestner , all perfect condition and wearing very beautiful in original costume.
Not often to find such a very lovely doll with solid domed bisque socket head with lovely amber-tinted complexion and black painted baby hair with shadow details around the face . Has wonderful brown glass sleep eyes in half moon shape , has finest painting of curly lashes and pale painted brows. Closed mouth with...
SOLD to C. !!
Rare to find and very beautiful late 19th. century French miniature sleigh with luxury hand painted cupid romantic scenes all around , a perfect display piece for tiny Bebe or Mignonette.
Around 7" ( 19 cm ) bronze framed sleigh with rich gold finish and elaborate front crest supports a very beautifully scroll side carriage bed with original burgundy red silk and velvet upholstery . It has light metal sides that are richly hand painted with very beautiful romantic scenes of ...
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Outstanding beauty from house of Jumeau circa 1885 with finest sculpting and face expression , best quality of cream bisque and finest painting , perfectly preserved condition ....... She has superb dark blonde mohair wig and original Jumeau soft wool dress with Louvre Shop bonnet , Jumeau Bee mark shoes with socks . An all perfect and pristine condition Bebe from one of the best doll factory in Paris at 19th. century !!!!
Gorgeous 26" ( 66 cm ) doll with perfect and pale bi...
SOLD....thank you M.
All original antique special rare to find early white cotton poupee dress with soutache trim decoration from France circa 1860 ...... has generally excellent condition would fit perfect for a smaller size early poupee like Huret , Rohmer , Barroise or other ........
Of fine and soft white cotton with rounded neckline above a fitted bodice which is beautiful covered with two lose parts , one at each side which fall over the shoulders and ends at back as collar. Has pretty sho...
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20" ( 50 cm ) Most beautiful French Bebe from house of Jumeau .......... Emile Jumeau circa 1880 / 84 , on rare model of the very beautiful E.J. Bebe with finest creamy pale pressed bisque and excellent painting on socket head .
With very full cheeks and throat , has stunning blue enamel glass paperweight inset eyes with dark eyeliner and fine painted long lashes. Her brows are brush-stroked and feathered over mauve - blushed eye shadow. She has on closed mouth with pretty d...
SOLD ...thank you very much G. !!
One of a kind French Bebe silk satin three piece costume which would fit perfect for one of you favorite French or German doll as well about around 21" ( 54 cm )
All complete most hand sewn French jacket with sleeve lose dress of ivory silk satin , beautiful embroidery French lace and fine light blue silk ribbon decoration.
Pretty jacket with stand up collar and front closure with hand made button holes and 12 blue silk buttons. Has long inset sleeves with small ruffle...
SOLD...thank you A. !!
Outstanding 5, 5" ( 15 cm ) all original all bisque Mignonette by Kestner with extremly rare jointed limb body with bare feet , contained in her original presentation box with two lovely extra costumes ...... all together factory original by Kestner , German around 19th. century !!
The lovely pale all bisque doll has best quality swivel head on kid-lined bisque torso , has sweet round facial modeling with short throt , round blue glass inset eyes with dark eyeliner and fines...